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traceroute to icfamon.dl.ac.uk (193.62.127.224): 1-25 hops, 38 byte packets
1 {core}.Stanford.EDU (134.79.x.x) [AS3671 - SU-SLAC] 1.07 ms (ttl=255)
2 {legacy}.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (134.79.x.x) [AS3671 - SU-SLAC] 1.08 ms (ttl=254)
3 {border}.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (134.79.x.x) [AS3671 - SU-SLAC] 1.18 ms (ttl=253)
4 ESNET-A-GATEWAY.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (192.68.191.18) [AS32 - Stanford Linear Accelerator Center] 1.35 ms (ttl=252)
5 pppl4-atms.es.net (134.55.24.10) [AS293 - Energy Sciences Network (ESnet)] 60.3 ms (ttl=251)
6 60hudson-pppl.es.net (134.55.43.2) [AS293 - Energy Sciences Network (ESnet)] 63.0 ms (ttl=250)
7 193.62.157.5 (193.62.157.5) [AS786 - JANET] 63.6 ms (ttl=249)
8 193.62.157.13 (193.62.157.13) [AS786 - JANET] 131 ms (ttl=248)
9 128.86.1.246 (128.86.1.246) [AS786 - University of London Computer Centre] 138 ms (ttl=247)
10 193.62.157.82 (193.62.157.82) [AS786 - JANET] 147 ms (ttl=246)
11 146.97.255.178 (146.97.255.178) [AS786 - UK Academic Joint Network Team] 144 ms (ttl=245)
12 gw-dl.netnw.net.uk (194.66.24.2) [AS786 - JANET] 144 ms (ttl=19)
13 gw-fw.dl.ac.uk (193.63.74.233) [AS786 - JANET] 143 ms (ttl=243)
14 alan3.dl.ac.uk (193.63.74.129) [AS786 - JANET] 143 ms (ttl=115)
15 icfamon.dl.ac.uk (193.62.127.224) [AS786 - JANET] 150 ms (ttl=50!)
A typical route from Oxford University to SLAC recorded by
traceping
on May 3rd, 2000 is shown
below.
Router Address
router.physics.ox.ac.uk 163.1.247.254
192.76.34.202
oxford.london-core.ja.net 146.97.251.81
london.external-gw.ja.net 146.97.251.57
us-gw.ja.net 193.63.94.90
ny-pop.ja.net 193.62.157.14
ny-pop.esnet.ja.net 193.62.157.6
pppl-60hudson.es.net 134.55.43.1
slac1-atms.es.net 134.55.24.13
{border}.SLAC.Stanford.EDU 192.68.x.x
NS2.SLAC.Stanford.EDU 134.79.x.x
The route
from Stanford to
UKERNA is also shown below.
mtu limitted to 1500 bytes at FLORA01.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (134.79.16.29)
doing 32 probes at each of 64 to 1500 by 44
0 FLORA01.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (134.79.16.29)
| 30 Mb/s, 199 us (792 us)
1 {core}.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (134.79.x.x)
| 50 Mb/s, 190 us (1.41 ms)
2 (legacy}.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (134.79.x.x)
| 120 Mb/s, 74 us (1.66 ms)
3 {border}.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (134.79.x.x)
| 88 Mb/s, -90 us (1.62 ms)
4 ESNET-A-GATEWAY.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (192.68.191.18)
| 29 Mb/s, 29.6 ms (61.3 ms)
5 pppl4-atms.es.net (134.55.24.10)
-> 134.55.24.10 (1)
| 24 Mb/s, 1.18 ms (64.2 ms)
6?60hudson-pppl.es.net (134.55.43.2)
-> 134.55.43.2 (1)
| 20 Mb/s, 211 us (65.2 ms), 2% dropped
7?193.62.157.5 (193.62.157.5)
-> 193.62.157.5 (1)
| 42 Mb/s, 38.3 ms (142 ms), 2% dropped
8?193.62.157.9 (193.62.157.9)
-> 193.62.157.9 (1)
| 123 Mb/s, -2836 us (137 ms), 2% dropped
9?193.63.94.246 (193.63.94.246)
| 501 Mb/s, 4.67 ms (146 ms), 2% dropped
10 193.62.157.82 (193.62.157.82)
-> 193.62.157.82 (2)
| 29 Mb/s, 2.96 ms (152 ms), 7% dropped
11?146.97.255.178 (146.97.255.178)
-> 146.97.255.178 (1)
| 32 Mb/s, 845 us (154 ms), 12% dropped
12?gw-dl.netnw.net.uk (194.66.24.2)
-> 194.66.24.2 (3)
| ?? b/s, 96 us (155 ms), 8% dropped
13?gw-fw.dl.ac.uk (193.63.74.233)
-> 193.63.74.233 (1)
| 19 Mb/s, 48 us (155 ms), +q 1.09 ms (2.55 KB), 8% dropped
14?alan3.dl.ac.uk (193.63.74.129)
-> 193.63.74.129 (2)
| 12 Mb/s, -2605 us (151 ms), 11% dropped
15?icfamon.dl.ac.uk (193.62.127.224)
15 hops, rtt 146 ms (151 ms), bottleneck 12 Mb/s, pipe 217314 bytes
40cottrell@flora01:~>bin/pingroute.pl -c 100 -s 1472 icfamon.dl.ac.uk
Architecture=SUN5, commands=traceroute -q 1 and ping -s node 1472 100, pingroute.pl version=1.4, 5/16/00, debug=1
pingroute.pl version 1.4, 5/16/00 using traceroute to get nodes in route from flora01 to icfamon.dl.ac.uk
traceroute: Warning: ckecksums disabled
traceroute to icfamon.dl.ac.uk (193.62.127.224), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
pingroute.pl version 1.4, 5/16/00 found 15 hops in route from flora01 to icfamon.dl.ac.uk
1 {core}.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (134.79.x.x) 0.653 ms
2 {legacy}.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (134.79.x.x) 1.043 ms
3 {border}.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (134.79.x.x) 3.529 ms
4 ESNET-A-GATEWAY.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (192.68.191.18) 1.450 ms
5 pppl4-atms.es.net (134.55.24.10) 60.781 ms
6 60hudson-pppl.es.net (134.55.43.2) 62.815 ms
7 193.62.157.5 (193.62.157.5) 68.664 ms
8 193.62.157.9 (193.62.157.9) 142.859 ms
9 193.63.94.246 (193.63.94.246) 139.580 ms
10 193.62.157.82 (193.62.157.82) 154.224 ms
11 146.97.255.178 (146.97.255.178) 153.692 ms
12 gw-dl.netnw.net.uk (194.66.24.2) 150.355 ms
13 gw-fw.dl.ac.uk (193.63.74.233) 149.862 ms
14 alan3.dl.ac.uk (193.63.74.129) 150.005 ms
15 icfamon.dl.ac.uk (193.62.127.224) 156.676 ms
Wrote 15 addresses to /tmp/pingaddr, now ping each address 100 times from flora01
pings/node=100 100 byte packets 1472 byte packets
NODE %loss min max avg %loss min max avg from flora01
134.79.19.2 {core}.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU 0% 0.0 12.0 0.0 0% 1.0 3.0 1.0 Thu May 18 13:36:39 PDT 2000
134.79.135.6 {legacy}.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU 0% 0.0 2.0 0.0 0% 2.0 2.0 2.0 Thu May 18 13:39:58 PDT 2000
134.79.111.4 (border}.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU 0% 1.0 5.0 1.0 0% 2.0 4.0 2.0 Thu May 18 13:43:16 PDT 2000
192.68.191.18 ESNET-A-GATEWAY.SLAC.STANFORD. 0% 0.0 383.0 22.0 0% 2.0 324.0 13.0 Thu May 18 13:46:34 PDT 2000
134.55.24.10 PPPL4-ATMS.ES.NET 0% 60.0 460.0 67.0 0% 63.0 257.0 68.0 Thu May 18 13:49:53 PDT 2000
134.55.43.2 60HUDSON-PPPL.ES.NET 0% 62.0 98.0 64.0 0% 66.0 209.0 70.0 Thu May 18 13:53:11 PDT 2000
193.62.157.5 193.62.157.5 3% 63.0 76.0 64.0 2% 68.0 87.0 69.0 Thu May 18 13:56:29 PDT 2000
193.62.157.9 193.62.157.9 3% 142.0 342.0 146.0 3% 148.0 324.0 152.0 Thu May 18 13:59:49 PDT 2000
193.63.94.246 193.63.94.246 2% 131.0 144.0 133.0 7% 137.0 151.0 138.0 Thu May 18 14:03:09 PDT 2000
193.62.157.82 193.62.157.82 4% 152.0 391.0 157.0 0% 158.0 344.0 161.0 Thu May 18 14:06:30 PDT 2000
146.97.255.178 146.97.255.178 10% 146.0 164.0 149.0 9% 153.0 164.0 154.0 Thu May 18 14:09:49 PDT 2000
194.66.24.2 GW-DL.NETNW.NET.UK 8% 142.0 161.0 144.0 5% 149.0 161.0 151.0 Thu May 18 14:13:09 PDT 2000
193.63.74.233 GW-FW.DL.AC.UK 8% 142.0 155.0 144.0 11% 150.0 163.0 151.0 Thu May 18 14:16:29 PDT 2000
193.63.74.129 ALAN3.DL.AC.UK 7% 143.0 642.0 150.0 11% 151.0 164.0 152.0 Thu May 18 14:19:49 PDT 2000
193.62.127.224 ICFAMON.DL.AC.UK 6% 155.0 371.0 160.0 12% 166.0 408.0 170.0 Thu May 18 14:23:10 PDT 2000
% sudo sting icfamon.dl.ac.uk (Unreliable) Connection setup took 138 ms src = 134.79.24.97:10502 (4259008577) dst = 193.62.127.224:80 (1543681059) dataSent = 100, dataReceived = 100 acksSent = 100, acksReceived = 91 Forward drop rate = 0.000000 Reverse drop rate = 0.090000 630 packets received by filter 0 packets dropped by kernelOne can also look at the Surveyor reports to look at the one way delays and losses. Graphs of the one way delay are shown below for SLAC to UKERNA and UKERNA to SLAC. These graphs show that during the daytime in Europe the variability in delay is much greater in the SLAC-UKERNA direction than vice-versa. The losses (delay of >= 300ms.) are also much greater in the SLAC to UKERNA direction. From these graphs it is seen that congestion is more likely to be greater (and thus QoS more likely to be effective) in the daytime in Europe and on the path from the US to the UK.
The Surveyor graphs for one way measurements between UKERNA and Stanford University
are seen below. They are very similar to those between SLAC and UKERNA. This suggests
that the congestion is in the common path for these pairs, i.e. in JANET.
For further measurements made by Robin Tasker of Daresbury Lab on the routing and ping responses seen from the UK end see http://icfamon.dl.ac.uk/papers/QoS/stats-1705.pdf.
Some possibilities are that the QoS code is not properly applied (e.g. is only configured in one direction in particular may not be active in the UK to US direction), or is only partially applied (e.g. is only applied to the trans-Atlantic link and the congestion elsewhere is defeating its best efforts) or may not be working properly. Early versions (Spring 1999) of the Cisco WFQ code failed to improve the performance seen on a testbed between SLAC and LBL, maybe something similar is happening with the WRED code.
Email from Peter Clarke dated 5/18/00 clarifies that "the CAR/WRED is active only at the entry point of ESNET into JANET and only on traffic INBOUND to UK". This partial application may be reason the effect is not noticeable since there may be substantial congestion elsewhere that is causing the problem. It may be necessary to extend the deployment or at least review the utilization of all the links along the route.
Created: May 9, 2000
URL: http://www-iepm.slac.stanford.edu/pinger/tools.html
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